ProppFrexx ONAIR User-Forum

1 - The mixer channel I am using for streaming is always just the OUT channel.
I do not understand how to follow your suggestion, and no idea how to do this!, sorry:
“If that is the case, note, that if you want to setup ProppFrexx for streaming the master sum signal of your mixer; you must create a mixer input channel and connect the output of your Behringer to your soundcard input channel - e.g. use the INP channel.
If the Behringer offers with its USB soundcard a master output signal - then use this directly with your INP channel.
And in your streaming setup then use this INP channel !”
2 – MIC – the only way to get MIC output is using the “Output To: OUT:Speakers…” in INP channel (please take a look to the picture). Of course, as you wrote, set any value for “Output To” create a feedback loop, no doubt. This means I cannot use this option and the result is no MIC output signal!
3 – The Main Mixer configuration (as shown in the picture) was obtained using, one more time, the “Tools/Mixer Setup Wizard/5. External Mixer External Microphones (Complex)”. Also was created by default a MON Channel that I removed because it was empty. I am not quite sure if I need to use the “Tools” or not, or leave the original default Main Mixer?
4 - Meanwhile, after trying a lot of configurations the two CD Players lost output sound!
Conclusion:
Mic and the two CD Players without output sound! They can be listened on speakers and on headphones, nothing else.
What can I do, I ask myself, but no solution!

I do not know how to describe it better
But I guess (from what you write), you already understood the concept and what I am saying.

It looks, like the Behringer does NOT offer (with its in-build soundcard) to record the master signal of the mixer!
Instead it only offers a recording channel for the attached Microphone.

So in order to get the mixer's master sum signal back into ProppFrexx you then NEED ANOTHER soundcard with a recording input channel!
That is the only way I see (as long as I understood correctly what I was reading and assume here, as I don't own a Behringer).
If this is available, manually (the old analog way) connect the main output of your Behringer mixer with the input of your other soundcard's input (e.g. via normal chinch cables).
As such you can receive the mixer's master sum signal in that ProppFrexx mixer input channel and use that mixer input channel for streaming.
The audio flow is then like this:
- ProppFrexx sends the Player signal to the Behringer USB output
- the Behringer then mixes that with the other attached devices, like Microphone, CD Players etc.
- the Behringer handles PFL internally (through the headphones attached to the Behringer)
- the Behringer creates an analog output signal (the sum of all) to it's main output at the rear
- you take that analog signal and connect it via a cabel with the input jack of your other soundcard
- ProppFrexx then records this input signal and uses it for streaming

Now I guess your problem is, that you might simply NOT have another soundcard?
If that is the case, you are 'lost' and need to get yourself one.

All this unless the Behringer doesn't really have any other recording input device than the above shown 'Microphone (USB Audio CODEC)' !

I am sorry for you, but ProppFrexx can not do anything about this situation, ProppFrexx is software, and if the Behringer comes with these limitations, it is an issue of your hardware
But maybe you have another soundcard with an input available, so that you can connect your Behringer in the described analog way to it?!

Some other professional radio mixers do offer a dedicated recording input channel of the mixers main output signal.

First of all thank you and I am sorry for taking your time.
After carefully read what you wrote I understand your point of view and now I know why all this mystery. It was for me a big surprise because PFOA is great software that I am using during the last months with a good result and now, after installing the Behringer pro mixer, also a very good mixer, my problems started with the configuration! Now I have more clear ideas.
I have an audio interface (Behringer U-CONTROL UCA202 ) exactly to connect mixers with computer for recording and playback and it is time to use it, and I think this is the solution for all this problems. Now, my new headache is how to connect the two RCA cables: Input (L/R) and Output (L/R)? Taking a look on mixer connections I think the solution is on the following image, but how? Have you any suggestion, please?

Sure, I guess you can safely use the "RECORD OUT" RCA jacks OR the ZONE OUTPUTS - as I assume they all containe the same main output signal (just like the MAIN OUTPUTS - but I assume you'll use these already? - if not, you can also directly use the MAIN OUTPUTS).

I assume you'll connect your Speakers to the MONITOR OUTPUTs, as these should be 'dimmed/muted' automatically when yous MiC fader is on/up.

Let me know if all that solves your issue.

I agree with you, the Record Out is connected with L/R Input on audio interface. Exactly as you wrote, the speakers are connected on Monitor Outputs (on mixer), this means that I can ignore the audio interface L/R Output (?) to avoid affect the “dimmed/muted automatically. Do you think that my reasoning is correct?
They suggest the following application example (my idea, as I wrote before, is to leave blank the L/R Output:

Yes, your reasoning sounds correct!

Yes, leave the Output of your U-Control blank!
And your headphones should be connected to the Behringer mixer and not to the U-Control!

Guess you'll now have it

As soon as I have any information I will contact you.
Once more thanks for your very important help with hardware that has not any relationship with PFOA. I appreciate your Attention and the good assistance you give to your customers.

Hi, Bernd,
The audio interface does not work and it seems it is not necessary.
I wrote to an expert with Behringer DX2000USB mixers and after describing the configuration and sending photographs he replied the following:
“The mixer has a USB output which carries the whole desk output.
It sounds like your streamer is picking-up your playout software, not the feed from the mixer. Sounds like a simple sound-device assignment issue.”
What can I do?

Why is the audio device not working? Is it broken?

However, what the 'expert' was saying, was exactly what I was asking initially ?!

Please do the following:
Only connect the Behring USB as a device to your PC and reb oot.
Now start PF and go to your mixer input channel and make a double-click on its name to invoke the "Input Device Configuration" dialog, just as shown in your screenshot 8 posts above.

In your "Input Device Configuration" dialog now open both:
a) the 'Device' combo box - and tell me exactly what devices are listed here!
b) the 'Input Source' combo box - and tell me exactly what names are listed here!
Then switch to the 'WASAPI' driver model and report the same.

Maybe you now 'see' your Behringer 'USB output which carries the whole desk output'.
Else ask the 'expert' what name should be listed/select to record the mixer output signal.

No, the audio device is not broken, but after trying different connections there is only one option to get output sound (internet sound) but in that case I lost sound on studio (headphone and speakers), that´s why I can use it.
Following your instructions after restart PC here is the result:

Driver model WDM
INP – Input Device Configuration (Mixer Channel)
Devices names listed on “Device combo box”:
- Microphone (USB Audio CODEC)
- Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Input Source name listed:
- Master Volume
Driver model WASAPI
INP – Input Device Configuration (Mixer Channel)
Devices names listed on “Device combo box”:
- Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) (SPDIF)
- Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) (SPEAKERS)
- Speakers (USB Audio CODEC) (SPEAKERS)
- Microphone (USB Audio CODEC) (MICROPHONE)
- Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio) (MICROPHONE)
Input Source combo box name listed:
- SPDIF

Hope this helps.