Several Voice track questions

[radio42]

Just click on the 'TalkOver' button as shown on your picture to lower the volume of the cartwall ... that's it.
But...
I just saw, that the button got broken in the latest version, so a new v4.0.2.5 is already up (so please "Check for Updates...") - which fixes it back again!

[SiriusRadio]

The talkOver button does mute sounds from the cardwall in my playout. Is this not an overall mute button to use while i'm playing fillers?
When i check the seque there are no cue points in the cardwall track. Is the talkover not writing cuepoints to the track as it does in the selected musictracks?
Btw, i'm not a crack in English so i hope you understand.

[SiriusRadio]

Bernd,

We made a small video in German were we explain our situation. How can we send this?

[radio42]

Thanks for the video...

You have (as I tried to explain before) enabled the "Cartwall As Track-Insert" option (see picture below, where it is disabled).
In this mode (when the 'Cartwall As Track-Insert' option is checked), the cartwall TalkOver button DOES NOT work as you expect.
In fact, the 'Cartwall As Track-Insert' option only inserts a cartwall track into the recording, but does not adjust any of its volume in real time as you moved the cartwall fader or clicked the TalkOver button.
As such, in that mode, you would have to manually attenuate the inserted cartwall track after your recording in the segue editor… not really what you want of course.

Disable the "Cartwall As Track-Insert" option

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To solve you issue you must uncheck the "Cartwall As Track-Insert" option !
BUT this also means, you need to adjust your mixer settings a bit.

1) I see, that you already have a mixer channel called “Cartw” – but it looks you don’t use it.
Make sure, that you also ‘route’ the ‘Cartwall II’ to that mixer channel – see the general settings, section ‘Routing’ and make sure you selected the ‘Cartw’ mixer channel for your ‘Cartwall II’ entry!
-> This will ensure, that whenever you play a cartwall II entry (like a one from the VoiceTracking) it is played out on that mixer channel.

Route the Cartwall II output to your 'Cartw' micxer channel

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Optionally (in case you do not use an external mixer): When you make a double-click on the ‘Cartw’ name in the mixer, you can also edit the mixer configuration. E.g. you might now want to use the ‘Copy To’ option to also copy the signal to your ‘PLAY’ mixer channel (in case you use it also during regular playback).

Copy the output of your 'Cartw' mixer channel also to 'PLAY'

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2) Now also make a double-click onto your MIC mixer input channel… and make sure you also select ‘Cartw’ for the ‘Output To’ option!

Output your MIC input also to the 'Cartw' channel

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3) What have you done now (up to here)?
a) You routed your Cartwall II (the one also used in the VT modeul) to play out at ‘Cartw’
b) You copied the signal of your ‘Cartw’ mixer also to your ‘PLAY’ mixer, so you hear it there as well
c) You output your ‘MIC’ mixer input also to your ‘Cartw’ mixer channel
(and as ‘Cartw’ is also copied to ‘PLAY’ you will also hear your microphone in the ‘PLAY’ channel)

The good thing now is, that the ‘Cartw’ mixer channel contains BOTH:
- your MIC signal AND
- your Cartwall II signal

4) As such, you can finally change your ‘Source’ within the Voice Tracking dialog to your ‘Cartw’ mixer channel.
Meaning you also record BOTH: your MIC and Cartwall II output together – live – as such, there is no need any more for the ‘Cartwall as Track-Insert’ option!

Use the 'Cartw' mixer output channel as your VoiceTracking Source!

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When you NOW press the Cartwall’s TalkOver button, the cartwall output signal is lowered and as such, the volume in your ‘Cartw’ mixer channel is lower and as you record this, all is already included in the ‘Cartw’ recording!

I hope this makes it a bit more clear

[radio42]

Hi Sirius,

I am not really sure what you are looking for! Can you please explain this in more detail...

The 'TalkOver' button of the cartwall volume control of course (only) attenuates the volume of the cartwall playout!

If you are looking for an overall or general 'TalkOver' button, please see the main mixer channel (resp. the main ribbon tab) - there you'll even find a 'TalkOver' and 'TalkUser' function - these functions attenuate all mixer channels having the 'Apply Master Volume' option set.

The TalkOver functions however are 'live' function, they of course do not write or generate cue-points resp. volume points to any audio tracks automatically. During Voice Tracking however, they have a very good reason/value, because the typical voice tracking setup uses a special mixer output channel ! for recording. E.g. you route your voice tracking MIC (mixer input channel) to that mixer output channel AND you route your cartwall output to the same mixer output channel.
When you now voice track: you record BOTH, the MIC and the cartwall from that mixer output channel - thus you record live exactly what you hear. And if you lower (TalkOver) your cartwall playout during a live voice tracking session you also record an attenuated jingle or filler, while the MIC appears louder!
If you use the other mode, where your jingles are placed as 'Track Inserts' into your voice track, then you must of course use the Segue Editor and attenuate your Track Inserts manually! This is the not recommended way for Voice Tracking, as it involves much more manually post editing steps...

I am not sure what cue-points you refer to in regards to cartwall and music tracks?
Maybe you are talking about Automatic Cue Point Detection (ACPD), which you can freely adjust per media type in the 'Mixing' settings of the general settings! If yes, note, that this has nothing to do with attenuating the music while a jingle or filler!
Before you have been talking about attenuating music while a cartwall track was playing - and I explained you the 'Attenuate Volume' function in the Voice Tracking module and in the Segue Editor.
So now you are talking about cue-points - which have a different meaning and functionality!

As such I am a bit lost in what you want to achieve or looking for...

[radio42]

Via WeTransfer, as a DropBox link...

[radio42]

And here also comes a new Training video (which hopefully helps you out):
Mixer Setup and Voice Tracking (english)

[SiriusRadio]

And here also comes a new Training video (which hopefully helps you out):
Mixer Setup and Voice Tracking (english)

Thxs